The Cult of Personality (Part 2)

Recently Fame Foundry had the opportunity to talk with Eliza Metz, the "Violet" half of Lime & Violet. What began as a late-night conversation between friends led to a podcast for the yarn-obsessed that struck a chord with fellow fanatics. The secret to their success is equal parts serendipity and savvy, as they have carefully grown and nurtured their legion of dedicated followers into a full-fledged knitting empire. Below Eliza shares some of the lessons she's learned along the way. FAME FOUNDRY: Thank you for sharing this time with us. ELIZA METZ: My pleasure. Did someone mention an open bar? (kidding, kidding...) FAME FOUNDRY: You're known as Violet to your audience and most of the world. What's the origin of this name? ELIZA METZ: Lime & Violet was born from late-night hysteria, actually. Miss Lime and I were driving to a fiber festival in Colorado about nine hours or so from where we live. We'd left late, and were having a few way-way-way-too-much-coffee moments, since it was 2 a.m. and neither of us were very coherent. At one point, she misheard something I said, thinking I'd answered "lime and violet." The whole weekend, any time we didn't understand something, we'd just look at each other, say "lime-n-violet," and laugh at our own joke. We still do that even now. On the way home, I told her we should start a podcast. There were only two knitting-related podcasts at the time (versus the 100+ there are now), and after explaining what a podcast was, she agreed that it'd be a fun little project for our spare time. The name came from the inside joke, and since she really wanted to stay anonymous to avoid the crazies that proliferate on the Internet, we decided I'd be Violet and she could be Lime. We had no idea that neither of us would ever have spare time again, or that random strangers would know us better by our "anonymous" names than our real ones. (Not that that's a bad thing, either, really.) FAME FOUNDRY: So the podcast, which evolved into this massive business, was purely and spontaneously created out of your own interest in knitting and putting on a show for the fun of it? ELIZA METZ: Simplistically speaking, yes, that was the genesis of the thing. It's not to say we didn't have a plan, however. I'm one of those people who writes business plans for fun, so we had a pretty good idea before we ever put voice to mic where we wanted it to go. The problem, we found, was that we didn't dream big enough or fast enough, really. It took on a life of its own pretty quickly and started branching out pretty organically from there. But, yes. It was just for the fun of it at the time. FAME FOUNDRY: Sounds like you were expecting this from the beginning. ELIZA METZ: We were. I think we didn't know the whole extent of just how big it would be, or what it would spawn, but we knew it had the potential to be big. Or maybe we just didn't know how big "big" really was at the time, which is probably a good thing. If we'd known about all the work, we may have given up and decided to take up macrame instead. FAME FOUNDRY: What was the first sign that let you know this was big. ELIZA METZ: Oh, man. That's an easy one. A couple of months after we started the show, we had quite a few (we thought at the time) online "fans." The community was starting to form, and podcasts in general were becoming a bit more well-known in yarncrafting. It wasn't uncommon to get e-mails with offers of yarn or undying love, and we were okay with that. It was all kind of remote and surreal. Then one night we were in a local yarn shop in Nebraska, and a customer -- a complete stranger -- stopped her transaction and asked if I was Miss Violet. blinkblink She recognized me by my voice, which I hadn't really expected. So we made a huge joke about it all, started calling ourselves rock stars and carried well-publicized purple and green Sharpies in our purses so we could sign boobs at yarn stores. No, really. (And, yes, we've signed them.) FAME FOUNDRY: And thus began 'The Empire'? ELIZA METZ: Of a sort. There was a fair bit of work from there, but it was the first time we realized that we had a little bit of sway with the knitters, and it sort of drove home the fact that we had this fabulous base of customers who were listening to us, for sure. Empires aren't built in a day. FAME FOUNDRY: And the Empire seems to even refer to itself as 'The Empire." Quite a stunt there. ELIZA METZ: Of course it does. Luckily, we're benevolent rulers. FAME FOUNDRY: So everything -- the blog, the store -- evolved out of the podcast? ELIZA METZ: In a sense, yes. All of it sort of grew organically around the podcast's evolution. It's a little hard to explain, really. See, while a lot of the places that the podcast has grown into are completely random and unexpected (happy accidents, of a sort), we sort of knew where we wanted it to go from the beginning. We had this ridiculous business plan before we even put down the first tracks -- more of a wish list of activities than an actual business plan, per se. We had it structured so that growth would be based on the number of listeners because we truly thought that it would give us quite a bit of time to do things. At 100 listeners, we'd set up the message boards to let the fans talk to each other and start building a community. At 500 listeners, we'd start putting together the first knitting pattern book...that kind of thing. I remember writing down a milestone for 5,000 listeners and thinking that was just crazy, that we'd be waiting for YEARS before that ever happened. Three months later, we hit 5,000. I sat back, took a screenshot, sent it to Lime and told her that, perhaps, we should look into changing the structure of our business plan. Ahem. Duh, right? The problem, we found, was that we didn't dream big enough or fast enough, really.Not all of what we've done has been a part of the plan, since we had to scrap most of that pretty early on. We had a catastrophic lightning strike that took out our first book and the back-up copies thereof. Local hotels laughed at us when we approached them about doing a knitters' retreat on a full floor of a hotel (even though we had over 1,000 people who had filled out the form saying they'd come to our slumber party weekend). We tried partnering with various yarn/knitting-related companies for co-branded product support, but we found that contract law isn't quite our strong point and the brand started diluting a little. Lots and lots of learning experiences in that first year or so. If you want something done right, you need to do it yourself. So we started doing dyed sock yarns, which sprouted off into bath and body stuff when we talked a lot about the indie companies. The blog was just a way to pass on information to the listeners every day, since the volume of really fabulous projects and patterns and yarns coming into L&V Central was just too much to talk about on a weekly show. We keep learning all the time. It's one of the best things about the way we just dived right into this. Had we KNOWN the kind of work we were in for, we'd have turned tail and run, honestly. Our ignorance saved us from the get-go, really. The big lesson from the past year -- at least for me -- has been that narrowing the focus of what we're doing isn't nearly as counterproductive as I thought it'd be. We launched the Intention Yarn line, which has a very, very narrow focus (and, uh, intent), but it does 10 times better than our generic sock yarns did, largely because people know what they're about. They get the concept, so it's something they can buy not just to support their Lime & Violet addiction, but for a specific purpose of creation, and they seem to dig that. Same with things like the Neil Gaiman project, TheFatesThree.com -- which isn't just generic knitting patterns, but patterns all created with a theme around a particular author's works -- the narrowing-down process made the focus just that much more clear for both listeners and the occasional non-listener who stumbles upon it. There are other projects unrelated directly to Lime & Violet -- KnitLife, which is an oral history collection process that's just getting going, for instance. While it's not directly related to the show, I've got no illusions that being "known," so to speak, doesn't help promote the projects or get the word out there. Whether or not it's an obvious connection, the Empire doesn't just affect the success of the stuff we do -- it's the basis for it. FAME FOUNDRY: You share a lot of yourself with your audience and the community that has formed around the Lime & Violet brand. Where do you draw the line between your personal life and what you broadcast to the public? ELIZA METZ: There's supposed to be a line? (You can't see me right now, but trust me, I'm laughing relatively hysterically.) If someone has listened to every single show, they know more about me than my own mother. Before there was a Lime & Violet, there was me. And way back in the olden days of the Internet, when you used to have to do markup by notepad and ftp everything from a command line and design was largely a matter of tables with varying cellpaddings (and we rode dinosaurs to school both ways uphill in the snow...), I was one of those freaks with an online journal. (This is in the pre-Greymatter, pre-typepad, pre-blog days. Told ya it was in the prehistoric era.) I was one of the original 50 nutjobs who thought that their own lives, as mundane as they may be, were interesting enough to warrant putting it out there for the world to read. (And, incidentally, comment on. Good heavens, the e-mails...) Coming from this background and posessing of some kind of weird self-revelatory urge that's probably borderline pathological, I don't have a line most of the time. There are some things that we don't talk about much on the show, and we try to maintain the anonymity of the innocent (relatively speaking), but for the most part, if someone has listened to every single show, they know more about me than my own mother. I'm still not sure if that's a good thing or not. Contrast that with Miss Lime, who keeps a very strict bubble around her identity. No pictures of her are allowed on the site other than one that she swears looks nothing like her. Nobody knows her real name. For a while, we even kept it secret that we're in Omaha, though that slipped out through other channels. She's pretty convinced that the crazies would find her if they knew her name, and for that, I can't really blame her. The Crazy is pretty much everywhere on the Internet. FAME FOUNDRY: You mentioned the "crazies" on the Internet. What's the craziest encounter you've had with a an Internet fanatic? ELIZA METZ: I could tell you stories that would probably make Dateline NBC producers salivate. For the most part, we've found that knitters are a pretty sane bunch, with a few notable exceptions, but the combination of Internet anonymity and pseudofame still brings out the occasional whackjob. For instance, once we mentioned on the show that we love our fans. We love them so much that we'd love to invite them all over to my house for a great big slumber party. I mentioned that I have a guest room and a couple dogs that are quite fond of visitors, and I make a mean cookie. While intended to be kind of a joke, apparently I sounded serious enough that one girl found my real name, looked up my address and drove NINE HOURS to my house, where she got out of the car with four overnight bags (three of them were knitting projects-in-progress, I might add), and just expected to stay. Um. Oh-kay... She ended up staying three days. Great girl, but omg we never said anything like that again. Then there was the lady who didn't understand personal space and kept petting my hair. Or the one who named her babies after us. Or the one who, when we didn't write her back in an arbitrarily selected timeframe, made a WE HATE VIOLET website. I wish I was kidding. The Crazy. She is everywhere. FAME FOUNDRY: You're active on Twitter, Facebook and Plurk, though you use Plurk as your micro-updating site of choice. Why's that? When it comes to what we're trying to do -- building a community rather than just a following -- there needs to be interaction. ELIZA METZ: For me, it's a matter of connection. Twitter and Facebook and all the other myriad microblogging sites out there are all fine and good for most things, but it's largely one-way communication. You broadcast what you're doing to the world. Which, again, is all fine and good, if that's what you're looking to do. When it comes to what we're trying to do -- building a community rather than just a following -- there needs to be interaction. A conversation rather than just blindly telling people what you had for lunch. And Plurk has a format that depends on conversation and commentary to stay interesting, so people get involved. Once a fan is invested in a conversation, either with me or with the other followers, they feel like they're part of it. Instead of just reading ABOUT someone, they're talking WITH them. It's just a more human format to me, and it's the one I end up going back to over and over again as a result. FAME FOUNDRY: Art journaling is a big part of your life. How has this influenced your artistic approach online? ELIZA METZ: Through art journaling, I've found out a couple of big things about my own aesthetic. I really like handwritten things (more personal). I can have all the colors in the watercolor box, and I'll still end up with a white or mostly white background (which unclutters things for me visually). And white space keeps me sane. I don't claim to be any kind of techno-head web person who writes code in my sleep. In fact, I'm one of those freaks who still uses Notepad for most things. Call that a disclaimer from a semi-luddite here. That said, almost everything I put out there has a lot of that same, rustic, plain-looking, hand-hewn feel to it -- partially from just not knowing how else to do anything, and partially because that IS my approach. And if it works, I see no reason to fix what isn't broken. I'm just happy when there aren't broken links and people look at it now and again. FAME FOUNDRY: Thank you for sharing your vast experiences in building this empire you have. ELIZA METZ: And thank you for the interview. That'll be four goats and a skein of good cashmere, payable to the jester by the door. Elli Metz is the benevolent ruler of the Lime & Violet empire, which includes the independent republics of media, yarn, perfume and history. When she's not wearing her crown (which she often does), her job title is "starmaker," a fact that still amuses her.

 

 

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Taming the Word of Mouth Monster

The customer's word is king.

In today’s culture of the Web, nothing holds greater sway than word of mouth. If want to grow your business, you need the help of your customers and fans.

Let’s look at an example:

The first clip is from SouthEnd Home Improvement's website; the second is a review that one of their customers posted on their Google Places page.

Both essentially say the same thing, speaking to the superior quality of the workmanship and customer service provided by the company. Yet Josh's review has probably motivated far more prospective clients to pick up the phone than the company's own site.

Why is this the case? After all, we don’t know Josh, and he hasn’t done anything to earn our trust.

However, we trust him implicitly because he is not affiliated with the company and thus (at least theoretically) not motivated by a sales agenda or self-interest.

Is it fair? Maybe not. But if you're going to compete successfully in today's consumer-driven marketplace, that's the reality you must live in. In this post-mass media era, you simply cannot talk frequently and loudly enough about your own products and services to muscle your way to the top.

Old marketing has been dethroned.

Marketing was a much simpler proposition back in the days when communication flowed in one direction from companies to customers.

You could buy exposure in the print, radio and TV media outlets of your choosing, and you could control the message down to the last detail. Your investment could be mapped out neatly on schedules and calendars, and you had access to all kinds of reassuring data like reach, frequency and cost per impression. Sign a contract, write a check, hand over your perfectly polished advertisements and wait for the phone to ring.

Traditional advertising is still there for the taking. The problem is that your customers aren’t buying into it anymore. There's simply too much information available to them from too many different channels. All the beautifully crafted ads your budget can buy can't save you if your Google Places page is littered with scathing reviews from dissatisfied customers.

Today's marketplace is ruled by the customer.

Companies today have inherited the burden of mistrust created by generations of brands before them that thrived on the shallow messages and misleading claims of traditional advertising.

Today's consumers view themselves as a band of brothers united behind the cause of holding companies accountable for providing quality products and services and making good on their promises. It's an "us against them" mentality, and you're on the wrong side of the fight until you prove otherwise.

You can't hide the truth from your customers any longer. A disgruntled customer 10 years ago was a mild annoyance. Customer service people could silence the complainer and wash their hands of the matter. It required a screw-up of much larger proportions for a company's bad practices to come to light in the traditional media.

However, one unhappy customer who voices their discontent on Facebook or Twitter has the power to cost you hundreds of potential sales. If something goes wrong and you're not pulling out all the stops to make things right, you're taking a big gamble with your brand's reputation.

In a consumer-driven marketplace, no brand is untouchable. No company is too big to be brought down by their customer.

Don't slay the dragon – make it your friend.

Word of mouth marketing is a fearful proposition for most businesses because it doesn't conform neatly to the metrics and regulations that drive the corporate world.

It's a lot like lightning in that there's no way to predict when and where it might strike. As such it's nearly impossible to capture on record and quantify. However, when it does touch down, there's no denying the power of it's impact.

So how do you harness this inherently anti-corporate force and put it to work for you in the real day-in, day-out, nitty-gritty world of business?

Treat every customer like Oprah.

While word of mouth is not a new concept by any stretch of the imagination, the advent of the digital age and social media have magnified its importance by putting a megaphone in the hands of every customer.

As a result, the customer service landscape is littered with potential PR landmines because you can't always tell who holds the biggest megaphone. Aggravate the wrong customer, and your reputation is toast.

Sure you can tell which members of your online community have the most Facebook friends or Twitter followers or blog subscribers. But things get messy when you encounter these people in the real world. They don't have their subscriber count tattooed on their forehead, and they don't introduce themselves with their Twitter handle.

So what do you do? You must treat every customer as though they have an Oprah-like ability to exert their influence.

Tread carefully, and make sure you demonstrate to each and every customer that you respect them and that their opinions matter. Maybe 99 out of 100 of them won't talk about you anyway, but you had better make sure that the one who speaks up is a happy camper.

Underpromise and overdeliver.

When you are in front of a prospect and you have the opportunity to make a sale, it's hard to force yourself to leave any cards on the table. You want to talk up every feature and every benefit in the most superlative degree.

However, if that's what it takes to close the deal, you'd better be prepared not only to make good on every claim but also to go above and beyond the call of duty.

Your sales pitch is your customer's baseline expectation. If you do only what you say, they'll thank you for a job well done and move on.

But if you go the extra mile and do more than promised, then you'll get them talking.

Never make a sale at the cost of your reputation.

You want to hear the cash register ring as much and as often as possible. However, selling your products to a customer when you know they're not actually a good fit for that person's specific needs is like playing Russian roulette.

If the product isn't really the right solution, your customer is going to be unhappy, and they're going to point the finger at you. They'll either assume that your product is subpar or, far worse, that your company is dishonest in its claims. That sale will end up costing your company and your brand's reputation dearly.

Make every impression count.

Generally speaking, your customers have short-term memories. Your relationship with them is only as good as your last encounter, and your brand’s reputation lives and dies in the moment of interaction.

Every phone call, every email, every visit to your store counts. That means you had better make sure that every person your customers come into contact with understands the importance of every touchpoint.

Customers are allowed to have bad days, to be unpleasant, even to be irrational. Customer service people are not.

Be remarkable – literally.

Your customers are not professional spokespeople. Promoting your company is not anywhere near the top of their agenda.

To get them talking about you, you must overcome the inertia of their natural tendency to talk about pretty much anything other than your company.

How can you do that? You must surprise and delight them. You must offer them something that's truly new, innovative and exciting. Your products or services must make their lives easier or better in ways that are meaningful and significant.

If you want buzz around your restaurant, you have to make it buzzworthy. Everything from the food to the service to the ambiance must offer something your customers can't get anywhere else in town.

Reinvent the wheel if you have to. When your customers find something so great that it ignites their passion, they won’t be able to keep it to themselves.

Feed them a steady diet of good content.

Your customers don't go through their lives talking up the products and services they use like they just stepped out of a commercial from the 1950s.

However, everyone loves a hot tip. Mary who enjoys working in her yard doesn't call up her girlfriend to have a heart-to-heart conversation about fertilizer. However, if she finds a great video on the Scotts website about how to keep her lawn lush and green all summer long, you'd better believe she'll email a link to the other members of her gardening club and retweet it for the benefit of the gardening enthusiasts who follow her.

With the simple act of sharing the video link, Mary's given Scotts her word of mouth endorsement as a trusted expert.

Content marketing works. Period.

Get the conversation started.

You can't control what your customers say about you. In fact, you can't force them to say anything about you at all. What you can do, however, is get the conversation started.

Social media has removed the communication barriers between you and your customers. Use that to your advantage by identifying the motivations that drive your fans to act and giving them ways to carry your torch that cater to their passions and personalities.

Ask for their input. Recognize their good ideas. Provide good information and inspiration that they'll want to pass along to their own networks. Get creative and make it fun to be your fan so they'll invite others to join the party.

No one ever said it would be easy.

Building good word-of-mouth marketing around your brand is a slow, arduous climb of earning the trust of your customers and motivating them to act on your behalf.

There are no shortcuts here. If you want good word of mouth, you must earn it the old-fashioned way through hard work and honest communication. You must deliver top quality products and services that provide exceptional value. You must develop authentic relationships with your customers and be attentive and responsive to their needs. If something goes wrong, you must go above and beyond to set things right. In all things, demonstrating genuine respect for your customers is paramount.

However, all of this hard work will not go unrewarded. The payoff for your investment of time and resources is getting and keeping the best kind of customers — true, dedicated fans that become advocates for your brand.

Thanks to the power of social media, when your evangelists start talking, they’re not just going to tell one person, they’re going to broadcast it to everyone in their social circles on the Web – via Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, their blog, etc. As a result, you’ll not only gain exposure to potential new customers, you’ll have an inherent foundation of trust by association.

The ripple effect that occurs as the good word of mouth around your brand continues to spread virally from one person’s network to another will do far more to sustain and propel the growth of your business in today’s economy than any form of paid advertisement that your money could buy.

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